Co-anthologists Dialogue
an interview between Susan Davis and Gina Hyams, coeditors of Searching for Mary Poppins: Women Write About the Relationship Between Mothers and Nannies
Gina: Please remind me: why did we think editing
an anthology was a good idea?
Susan: Well, first of all, we thought it
was doable, that is to say that we
could work together on it and could make it happen around
and during
the rest of our lives jobs, kids, moves across the country,
other
books. Also, we thought it made good use of our various skills
as
writers and editors and that the mother-nanny relationship
had not been
fully explored. We wanted to work with real writers, good
ones, ones
that we admired, and we wanted to be able to do a project
together
using e-mail and phone and get paid and contribute to American
literature. But I don't remember ever thinking it was fun.
Did you have fun?
Gina: It was fun when we met at that fancy Indian restaurant
in NYC to
celebrate our 40th birthdays and the seemingly immanent sale
of the
anthology...of course negotiations dragged on for six more
months, but
that moment of shining possibility and lemon drop martinis
was fun.
Editing the book may not have been fun per se, but there were
some
thrills and satisfactions.
What was the name of that restaurant?
Susan: I think that restaurant was called
Table. Yes?
Gina: Tabla, I think.
What did you like best about the process of editing the anthology?
Susan: What I liked best about the editing
process was helping some of the
writers work through structural difficulties to find the best
of their
nanny stories and write it out (like Meg Waite Clayton or
working with
Andrea Nakayama or Kym Pinder). They are writers but hadn't
tried such
a personal essay for such a huge public audience before, so
there was a
lot to consider in terms of their essays what to leave in
and out, and
how to build a coherent narrative.
What did you enjoy most?
Gina: It was a happy day for me when Susan Orlean so graciously
blurbed the
book. Really, each yes that we got along the way was exciting.
Putting together the anthology was like throwing a party and
then being
amazed by all of the incredible people who showed up. I was
personally
inspired by the work ethic of many of our contributors Elizabeth
Graver
and Jackie Mitchard, in particular, were model citizens who
delivered
their sterling essays early. I also enjoyed getting to know
(mostly
via e-mail) writers who I profoundly respected, but who terrified
me as
well...like how shocking and delightful it was when Daphne
Merkin
started signing her e-mails "xo" or when I moved
to New England and
Katharine Weber gave me advice about buying firewood. Also,
our
editorial collaboration meant the world to me. In fact, I'd
say it's
the thing that I'm proudest of relating to the book. My sincere
advice
to anybody considering editing an anthology: Do it with a
partner!
What did you least enjoy?
Susan: Well, killing those two essays was
hard. And having to tell a hard-working writing mom that some
deeply emotional part of her story didn't quite work was hard.
Personally, I found adjusting to the publisher's suggested
title of "Searching For Mary Poppins" difficult
(our original title was "The Other Mother"), and
I found adjusting to the cover image they chose difficult.
But I agree that the collaboration was the best thing of all.
When did we meet at Sewanee, was it 1998? Your daughter was
four and you lived in Mexico; I lived in West Virginia and
was childless. We've each moved twice, and I've had two kids
since then. Having a chance to be in touch for work as we
supported each other through our lives was amazing. As you
know, I'm sometimes frustrated with what I sense is a lack
of support in the culture for the perils of working motherhood,
but being able to support each other as we worked, mothered,
and made a book gave me quite a bit of hope.
Would you edit another anthology?
Gina: Show me the money.
What was the most disappointing thing?
Susan: The most disappointing thing was
that the book didn't change the world. I'm serious. I know
that sounds ridiculous, but I want so much for working motherhood
to be easier a,nd I thought this book would start a dialogue,
and the dialogue would lead to change. Call me crazy.
What about you?
Gina: Not exactly disappointment, but an unexpected occurrence
was that it
was weird that this anthology seemed to take off more with
nannies than
it did with mothers. How various nannies blogged about it
and wrote to
us directly, but so far, very few mothers.
Our editor asked us to organize the book so that certain
themes or some
theme would arc across the collection, hence Mary Poppins.
Do you
remember how we chose her?
Susan: I do. I remember that we were each
a little surprised at how many of
the contributors made reference to Mary Poppins as some kind
of “ideal”
nanny. One of us remarked that it must have been the movie
Mary
Poppins they were thinking of because in the books she is,
well, a
little “bitchy.” Some of those references were
lost in the editorial
process, but many remained. We also thought that the arc of
the movie
was a good map for the stages in the mother-nanny relationships:
the
finding, the honeymoon, the troubles, the realizations, the
saying good
bye.
Did the book or working on it teach you anything?
Gina: Ugh. Can I have another question?
Susan: Yes, how about this question: Can
you ever read an anthology the same way again?
Gina: Well, I was critical to begin with
and now I'll probably be even more so, as it's easy to spot
lazy editors. We made a concerted effort to include a diverse
range of voices, and it annoys me to see anthologies in which
90% of the contributors live in Park Slope. Also, we asked
a lot of authors pushing some contributors through as many
as six drafts. One author who's contributed to several recent
anthologies commented that we were the most probing and meticulous
anthology editors she'd encountered. Our book may not be perfect
(though I haven't heard of any type-os), but nobody can say
we were lazy.
Our tireless publicist booked a ton of radio interviews for
this book.
Care to discuss your experience as an anthology spokesmodel
on AM talk
radio?
Susan: Anthology Spokesmodel . . . I like
that. Being on the radio was a profound education for me because
I'm a radio producer. I've coached so many people through
the process of being a guest, but I haven't been a guest myself.
First of all, as you know, it's surreal to talk to someone
in public via the phone or an ISDN studio line, you are conscious
of the fact that strangers are listening so the conversation
isn't intimate, yet you're alone, in a quiet room talking
with one other person. I think the universality of the story
so many working mothers who have in-home childcare stories
struck me when I went on the radio and heard from listeners.
Also, I was struck by the fact that there are so many ways
to be a good mother. I hope our book makes that clear. The
conversations I have participated in on the radio and at readings
make it abundantly clear that there are as many versions of
good mothering as there are mothers.
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